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2001 was a movie. It wasn't occult. You can't seriously believe that the occult is behind EVERYTHING. Are you suggesting that we haven't landed a man on the moon?
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| Those bronze age superstitions will make a person think some crazy stuff.
ET, you should be on meds. This thread has turned into Rosemary's Baby!
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| O-Lugs (7/2/2009)
E.T.
2001 was a movie. It wasn't occult. You can't seriously believe that the occult is behind EVERYTHING. Are you suggesting that we haven't landed a man on the moon?
Of course the occult is not behind everything. But the 2001 movie is an occult movie/book. Maybe because you haven't learned the secret "occult" symbolism, it went over your head, as it does most who are not acquainted with it. Ever wonder what the Obelisk represents in the movie? Remember how the early humans or ape-like ancesters discover the obelisk and touch it and receive the gift of intellect? Sounds a little like someone who helps mankind eat of the "tree of knowledge," so that mankind could become as "gods," wouldn't you say? You know who this being is, right?
Ever wonder why when the ape-like ancesters start thinking with improved intellect, or "evolve," you see glimpses of a pyramid? If you don't pay close attention, you may not have noticed that. Actually, it is more of a trapezoid, like the pyramid you see on the dollar bill. The movie is about the evolution of man and his becoming "born again" as a NEW-MAN. A higher being. A God-Man. Pyramids are initiation temples. They're not tombs. As you ascend the degrees of the Mystery Schools, you become a "God." Ever wonder what the glorious fetus floating in space was all about? Now you know. The movie/book shows man having a conflict or battle with his own high-tech creations. He always has to keep one step ahead of his own intelligence. If you don't keep up, bye bye! Natural selection, perhaps?
The next time you see Arthur C Clarke's 2010 book (not 2001, but 2010), check the title of one of the chapters. It's "Lucifer Rising." This was kept out of the movie version. The planet Jupiter, which is the king of planets/king of the Gods/Zeus, becomes a "Sun." Now we have 2 Suns. So, let's not call Jupiter by that name anymore. How about Lucifer. Yeah. Why not? BTW, both Clarke and Kubrick were occultists.
The Moon. I absolutely believe we went to the moon. But, I also believe that what we were given to see was probably not the real thing. I think we had better technology in 1969 than rockets. I believe there are 2 space programs. The "real" one is kept hush, and it was probably used to get to the moon and beyond before 1969. A lot of the ufos we've been seeing for the past 50-60 years or so are man-made. If we did go to the moon, it would be with gravity or electro-magnetic-type craft.
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I stand corrected.
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| E.T. Who named the angels? God? Well, then God gave Lucifer the name "Lucifer", didn't he? Well, then, what's wrong with the name Lucifer? Really....It's just a name. Like Jesus is just a name.
And I can't say what Kubrick and everyone else is an occultist or not. I wonder what your sources are? What really is the definition of Occult? Is it a grouping of people who believe something to the exclusion of everything else with some sort of symbolic figure at the center of it all who is capable of superhuman powers? Hmmmm...nevermind. 
Kubrick et al: What if it's just that an artist can have a creative mind and draw upon "stories" that ultimately were derived from Bible stories anyway? Doing things like that in movies is a technique of storytelling and movie-making. It's not a mass-hypnosis of the community at large in order to recruit them into Satanism. The cinematography in 2001 was...IS....absolutely stunning. Whether you are a fan of God or not, if you are a fan of art and a fan of film making then you understand that 2001 is a genius masterpiece of film making. One of the best of all time.
I watched 2010, too. It's an interesting story, but not nearly the film that 2001 was. But, I loved that Jupiter could become a second sun. I didn't see anything occult.
The pyramid could represent a shape of advancement, in my mind. The Egyptians and other advanced societies built them and it's a familiar shape in our minds as representing advanced civilizations.
Why can't you allow Kubrick to interpret creation in his own way without calling it "occult"? You disregard SO much beauty in the world because you are looking at things through the monocle of your religious belief. In the meantime, the world is beautiful -even the weird parts!
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| Here's a book I own that I believe ET may have read:
http://www.amazon.com/Hoodwinked-Watching-Movies-Eyes-Wide/dp/0971004226
There ARE global-elite-power-brokers who ARE programming the public through the images seen in movies. They run all the big corporations, hang out at places like Bohemian Grove, and trade tips at Bilderburger Group meetings. They control the international banking system (headed by the Rothschild family) which, in turn, control the Federal Reserve, which, in turn, controls our economy. We are their slaves. As long as we continue to consume and remain docile, they allow us to breed, work, and produce more wealth for their bursting coffers. The basic primer for understanding this globalist power agenda is found here:
http://www.amazon.com/Rule-Secrecy-Trilateral-Commission-Freemasons/dp/0060931841/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246673923&sr=1-1
This is not a conspiracy theory, it is a conspiracy fact. But calling them "Luciferians" or "occultists" or "Satanic" doesn't help get the word out, or do anything to thwart their plans. It does just the opposite. You guys ever heard of David Icke? Google him. Brilliant man, brilliant message. Unfortunately, he once called these shadowy puppet masters who control the planet "reptilians". He has been a laughing stock among conspiracy buffs ever since.
So be careful with those labels ET. I like you and would hate to see you get branded a crack pot just because you see the Devil around every corner. I'm guessing you are familiar with Richard Hoagland too. He taught me that JPL is a coven of masonic witches and that Satanists hijacked NASA long ago. He also hipped me to the magic of 19.5 and tetrahedral structures. Michio Kaku has linked tetrahedrons to hyperdimensional physics so there is definitely more than just "magic" there. It's all very gripping stuff, but as soon as they start trotting out ol' Beelzebub as the boogie man behind it all, my eyes glaze over. And I'm not the only one who responds this way.
Just imagine for a second if this occult stuff is just a smoke screen to hide an EVEN MORE SINISTER agenda. What's worse than the Devil you ask? Gee, how about basic human greed, ancient bloodlines, the secret of kings, the lust for power, and racial supremacy? Haven't those already killed about a billion times more people than some 100% imaginary Devil? Sometimes the answer to a mystery is a LOT simpler than the clues with which you are presented.
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| O-Lugs (7/3/2009)
E.T. Who named the angels? God? Well, then God gave Lucifer the name "Lucifer", didn't he? Well, then, what's wrong with the name Lucifer? Really....It's just a name. Like Jesus is just a name.
And I can't say what Kubrick and everyone else is an occultist or not. I wonder what your sources are? What really is the definition of Occult? Is it a grouping of people who believe something to the exclusion of everything else with some sort of symbolic figure at the center of it all who is capable of superhuman powers? Hmmmm...nevermind.
Kubrick et al: What if it's just that an artist can have a creative mind and draw upon "stories" that ultimately were derived from Bible stories anyway? Doing things like that in movies is a technique of storytelling and movie-making. It's not a mass-hypnosis of the community at large in order to recruit them into Satanism. The cinematography in 2001 was...IS....absolutely stunning. Whether you are a fan of God or not, if you are a fan of art and a fan of film making then you understand that 2001 is a genius masterpiece of film making. One of the best of all time.
I watched 2010, too. It's an interesting story, but not nearly the film that 2001 was. But, I loved that Jupiter could become a second sun. I didn't see anything occult.
The pyramid could represent a shape of advancement, in my mind. The Egyptians and other advanced societies built them and it's a familiar shape in our minds as representing advanced civilizations.
Why can't you allow Kubrick to interpret creation in his own way without calling it "occult"? You disregard SO much beauty in the world because you are looking at things through the monocle of your religious belief. In the meantime, the world is beautiful -even the weird parts!
Yeah. You're right. Lucifer means "light bearer" and is a good name, like Judas. They both now have a bad reputation, though the names are actually fine in and of themselves. Many occult groups use the word Lucifer as a symbol of Light or "intelligence." That's also why they use the Sun, the greatest source of Light, as a symbol for Lucifer. Since it was Lucifer who freed Man from alleged "ignorance" in the Garden of Eden and gave the gift of knowledge. To these occultists, the God of Christians and Jews is the evil and dark God, allegedly keeping Man down and ignorant. Lucifer represents he who liberated Man from bondage into an alleged higher and superior being, by causing Man to eat of the tree of knowledge.
The occult means "hidden." I know the word is used in astronomy when one celestial body moves in front of another and hides one from visibility, like a solar eclipse hides the sun. I think of occultists as people who have a religious or spiritual belief that stem from pagan/Babylonian religions, that hide the fact publically that they are of that religion. As they put it, they live "Under the Rose" or "Sub Rosa." Which means "in secret." This is where I get very ticked off. If a person believes in non-Christian religions, so be it. I have no problem with that. It's their choice. But, when they pretend to be Christians, or anything else, that's where I have my problem. They infiltrate Christian organizations, pretending to be a Christian, meanwhile, they are working in secret to subvert true Christianity into a Babylonian version.
In the past, the pagan religions were "above ground." Everything was out in the open, like in Egypt. But, as time went on, it became less accepted and in order to continue practicing their religion, they practiced "underground" or Sub Rosa. Thus, the old Babylonian religion was kept alive in certain secret societies. Many people join having no idea that they joined a religious organization.
Here's a link of the band Kiss. This is from their album "The Elder." A very occult album  . Notice the rose on the album cover and the design on the door is made up of small pyramids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOTUPhS7cPA
For more on this, you may want to check out Lizzy Bordens lyrics on his song "Under the Rose" from his Master of Disguise album.
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| Krispy Kirk (7/3/2009)
Here's a book I own that I believe ET may have read:
http://www.amazon.com/Hoodwinked-Watching-Movies-Eyes-Wide/dp/0971004226
There ARE global-elite-power-brokers who ARE programming the public through the images seen in movies. They run all the big corporations, hang out at places like Bohemian Grove, and trade tips at Bilderburger Group meetings. They control the international banking system (headed by the Rothschild family) which, in turn, control the Federal Reserve, which, in turn, controls our economy. We are their slaves. As long as we continue to consume and remain docile, they allow us to breed, work, and produce more wealth for their bursting coffers. The basic primer for understanding this globalist power agenda is found here:
http://www.amazon.com/Rule-Secrecy-Trilateral-Commission-Freemasons/dp/0060931841/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246673923&sr=1-1
This is not a conspiracy theory, it is a conspiracy fact. But calling them "Luciferians" or "occultists" or "Satanic" doesn't help get the word out, or do anything to thwart their plans. It does just the opposite. You guys ever heard of David Icke? Google him. Brilliant man, brilliant message. Unfortunately, he once called these shadowy puppet masters who control the planet "reptilians". He has been a laughing stock among conspiracy buffs ever since.
So be careful with those labels ET. I like you and would hate to see you get branded a crack pot just because you see the Devil around every corner. I'm guessing you are familiar with Richard Hoagland too. He taught me that JPL is a coven of masonic witches and that Satanists hijacked NASA long ago. He also hipped me to the magic of 19.5 and tetrahedral structures. Michio Kaku has linked tetrahedrons to hyperdimensional physics so there is definitely more than just "magic" there. It's all very gripping stuff, but as soon as they start trotting out ol' Beelzebub as the boogie man behind it all, my eyes glaze over. And I'm not the only one who responds this way.
Just imagine for a second if this occult stuff is just a smoke screen to hide an EVEN MORE SINISTER agenda. What's worse than the Devil you ask? Gee, how about basic human greed, ancient bloodlines, the secret of kings, the lust for power, and racial supremacy? Haven't those already killed about a billion times more people than some 100% imaginary Devil? Sometimes the answer to a mystery is a LOT simpler than the clues with which you are presented.
I honestly have never read either of those books. I've heard of the Marrs book, but not of the other. I've never read any of Icke's stuff either. There's alot of stuff out there that is very alarmist, exagerated and twisted. Though I know many may think that I'm out there in the same realm. Oh well. I'm getting used to it.
First of all, too many people, when they hear about the devil, think of an ugly horned guy wearing a red suit with a pitchfork in his hand. FORGET THAT! Forget all the cartoon characters swimming around in your head. That IS make-believe. Centuries ago, Christians, in an attempt to ridicule Satan, drew up weird and stupid drawings of him looking like a man in tights and horns pertruding from his head carrying a pitchfork. Then later, people saw those drawings and assumed that this what people actually saw. Forget it. The devil is an angel. He's not a serpent or a dragon anymore than he is a fox or a roaring lion, which are all names given to him in the Bible. Ezekiel describes him as being dazzling in beauty, wearing all sorts of precious jewels. He is described also as being extremely powerful. He wants to be God. He invokes and instills the same desire to be God on us. He starts out by stating that you can be a god too. But his real motive is for you to worship him.
Please hear me on this, no matter how ridiculous this sounds, there are millions of people right now, who worship him! They believe in him and are literally trying to place Lucifer on the throne of this world. This is not a fantasy. This is not a "conspiracy theory" made up by a bunch of wacko fruitcakes. Look at history. You love to look at history and the terrible effect religion has on mankind. Why are their Popes, Ayatollas, Caesars, Yogis and Emperors? All of which claim that they are a god or have the sole "word of God." Even in WWII, Hitler was a Messiah and the Emperor of Japan was a God-Man. This is not God's work. It is Satan's. Even if you don't believe that Satan exists, there are many who do and many are deliberately following him and trying to get the whole world to do the same. I know this sounds like non-sense. But, do some real research into it before you decide it is just the mentally ill who believe or are into this stuff.
Here's what I believe. The old Babylonian religion is trying to make a comeback. And it will succeed in a big way. It has never really ever gone away. I know this from studying both the Bible and the satanic organizations. I've said it so many times before that I hesitate to say it again, but there is a reason why rock music is saturated with satanic images and occult lyrics. It is because many of these people wholeheartedly believe in it in some form or another. Many are not out-right satanists. But, many practice the same things that satanists practice and that are forbidden by the Bible. Look at Mick Jagger. How can anyone say he is not a satanist? His satanism is so out in the open that I'm amazed at how blind people are to the truth of his satanism. As long as people think it's a gimmick, then the more deceived they are. So, when I call them "Luciferians," I'm only calling them what they call themselves.
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| It's the nature of man, E.T. That's why some people want to make a claim to "God". Anywhere there are "social" animals, there are certain animals who will claim leadership and superiority over the others. And the others will gladly subjugate themselves to their master if the master's leadership will keep them alive and with food and a place to get out of the cold and rain -a place where there will be a place to belong -where there is protection from the mass numbers. And mass is what religion is all about. "Mass" Everyone gets together, checks out the fact they are in a large group -compare it to other groups to see who has the most in their group. After a minute, it doesn't even matter what the dogma is. It's just a matter of belonging to the biggest club. Go along with their doctrines. Say what they say. Believe what they believe. And the ultimate goal is to be the biggest -to take over the rest. That is the God-like nature of pack animals. Animals that are in that category need to be led -want to be led. And some other animals are more to themselves and manage without a lot of "agreeing in the spirit" and so forth. But there are advantages to living in a society even if not everyone can be the most-gifted or the alpha or the caesar....or the "God". That's just man playing pretend. Didn't you ever pretend you were someone else when you were a kid? "I'll be Batman and you be Spiderman." It's just an elaboration of that kind of thing. It's a game that we, in a society, agree to play and take seriously. So, we obey the laws and the leaders (supposedly)
Sure, men make claims to be God. That's because men are silly and stupid animals who haven't quite shaken off the primitive-ness of their own nature. They are the men who seek to be the "alpha". It happens in sports. The fastest runner is "God-like". The highest jumper is God-like. The runner who can run the farthest and beat all the rest is God-like. They are trying to be the best and push themselves farther than the rest of their social clan in order to carve out a more prestigious place in their clan.
And, I highly doubt that Mick Jagger was behind all the graphic design ideas that came across as "Satanic"
All these terms! Sheesh! What a waste of time!
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